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Denis Kalinin's avatar

Awesome analysis!

A few thoughts:

1. China LLM market of 5.6B RMB (<$1B) is tiny compared to Western countries (US and Europe ~$4-6B each), which highlights a fundamental problem with Chinese AI models - monetization.

2. Generally most Western LLM players suffer from the same problem - Anthropic also burned $5B+ on $1B revenue in 2024, but then in 2025 it should reach ~$9B revenue with $2-3B burn. Revenue should be increasing faster than costs in the future.

3. Totally agree with your analysis on Zhipu, it’s hard to efficiently monetize enterprise software clients, they will keep struggle with scale and market size.

4. On Minimax I slightly disagree. Because 70% of their revenue is not from China and it’s mostly B2C, the 5.6B RMB market size in China is not really relevant to them. They have much higher upside.

5. Do you think China’s government will let Zhipu and Minimax go bankrupt? With the crazy demand for these two companies among domestic (and even foreign) investors, they can keep raising rounds, although valuation and dilution might be an issue.

6. Have you looked at Moonshot? What is the unit economics situation there?

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Pierre Brunelle's avatar

This reminds me of one of Buffet’s first investments: a department store that had 3 nearby competitors. He quickly understood the economics were poor because whenever one store spent some money, for instance to install an escalator, the others had to follow suit, even if that wouldn’t increase their sales. Btw I’m surprised the total market is so small (less than $1B). Thank you for the article.

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